Comments on: Turning Banners Into Flags: Thoughts from Palestine/Israel on Solidarity and Exclusion http://borderlinecrimes.com/2009/11/06/speaking-in-slogans-on-the-hidden-prejudices-behind-the-language-of-the-occupations-at-the-university-of-california-santa-cruz-a-reflection-from-palestineisrael/ on critique, boundaries, and activism Tue, 20 Jul 2010 22:50:52 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Clay http://borderlinecrimes.com/2009/11/06/speaking-in-slogans-on-the-hidden-prejudices-behind-the-language-of-the-occupations-at-the-university-of-california-santa-cruz-a-reflection-from-palestineisrael/comment-page-1/#comment-20554 Clay Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:43:38 +0000 http://borderlinecrimes.com/?p=368#comment-20554 Love it. I don't wish they had done anything. I'm happy that all this is going on. I don't want to change any of it, and I'm glad there's all this interesting discussion being generated from it. None of us knows the way out. Generally, banners have words on them, and flags don't. But not always. Love it.

I don't wish they had done anything. I'm happy that all this is going on. I don't want to change any of it, and I'm glad there's all this interesting discussion being generated from it. None of us knows the way out. Generally, banners have words on them, and flags don't. But not always.

]]> By: itamar http://borderlinecrimes.com/2009/11/06/speaking-in-slogans-on-the-hidden-prejudices-behind-the-language-of-the-occupations-at-the-university-of-california-santa-cruz-a-reflection-from-palestineisrael/comment-page-1/#comment-20158 itamar Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:25:12 +0000 http://borderlinecrimes.com/?p=368#comment-20158 This is an incredible post and I think it adds to/begins a discussion on what democratic organizing looks like. The vision is that engaging in democratic, decentralized struggle on a local, specific set of issues will develop a grassroots analysis of the causes and consequences of this specific problem and also a critical awareness of global, border-crossing linkages between this issue and others. What makes this anarchist perspective different from vanguardist or authoritarian points of view is that everything from the manner in which these linkages are realized and discussed, or even the nature of the linkages themselves, is not known by anybody or any group, including radical intellectuals with densely cross-referenced analyses of the world situation. They/we must bring what knowledge they have and whatever linkages they believe exist into a democratic and equal dialogue with other perceptions of the problem, in parallel with democratic discussions on strategies and tactics that compromise the more 'practical' component of the struggle. I want us to discuss what the difference between banners and flags are to a greater extent. What is it that you practically wish that anarchists in UCSC would have done? What were the major differences between the way that the Bil'in protests are being organized and the way that the UCSC campus protests were organized that made explain these important differences? This is an incredible post and I think it adds to/begins a discussion on what democratic organizing looks like. The vision is that engaging in democratic, decentralized struggle on a local, specific set of issues will develop a grassroots analysis of the causes and consequences of this specific problem and also a critical awareness of global, border-crossing linkages between this issue and others. What makes this anarchist perspective different from vanguardist or authoritarian points of view is that everything from the manner in which these linkages are realized and discussed, or even the nature of the linkages themselves, is not known by anybody or any group, including radical intellectuals with densely cross-referenced analyses of the world situation. They/we must bring what knowledge they have and whatever linkages they believe exist into a democratic and equal dialogue with other perceptions of the problem, in parallel with democratic discussions on strategies and tactics that compromise the more 'practical' component of the struggle.

I want us to discuss what the difference between banners and flags are to a greater extent. What is it that you practically wish that anarchists in UCSC would have done? What were the major differences between the way that the Bil'in protests are being organized and the way that the UCSC campus protests were organized that made explain these important differences?

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